中国经济总量世界第二(翻译美国“精英”的网评)(转载)

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  It’s (Almost) Official: China’s No. 2
  
  中国经济总量世界第二(基本确定)
  
  Japan doesn’t report its year-end gross-domestic product data until Feb. 16., but any suspense that remained over whether China vaulted into the No. 2 spot in the global economic rankings in 2010 is pretty much gone after figures reported by Beijing Thursday.
  
  虽然日本在2月16号前不公布其年度GDP数据,但随着周四北京方面公布了中国2010年度GDP数据,关于中国经济总量是否排在世界第二的各种猜测几乎烟消云散了。
  
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  China’s rise in the rankings has seemed likely since August, when data showed that its economic output had topped Japan in the second quarter of this year. But it wasn’t quite a sure thing. As the Journal said then: “China’s output has topped Japan’s before, in the last quarter of the year, when the Chinese economy tends to run hotter for seasonal reasons. Outpacing Japan in an early quarter is seen as a good indication that China has the momentum to zip past Japan for the full year.”
  
  早在8月份,当中国2季度经济产出便已超过日本,中国经济总量在世界上的排名似乎就开始超越日本,但这毕竟不是十分确定之事。但正如本报当时所言:“因季度原因,中国经济在年底往往更火热,因此在早前季度超越日本是全年总量超越日本的一个有利信号。”
  
  On Thursday, China said its GDP grew 10.3% last year, outpacing economists’ forecasts yet again, to total 39.798 trillion yuan. Based on an average exchange rate for 2010 of 6.768 yuan to the dollar, that equates to $5.88 trillion.
  
  本周四,中国报道其上年度经济增长速度为10.9%,,再次大幅超过经济学家们的预测,达到39.798万亿元。根据2010年度人民币兑美元的平均汇率计算,达到了5.88亿美元。
  
  The International Monetary Fund forecast in October that Japan’s GDP would total 477.327 trillion yen this year. At an average exchange rate of 87.727 yen per dollar for 2010, that would be $5.44 trillion—making China about 8% bigger.
  
  去年10月,IMF组织预测日本经济总量将达到477.327万亿日元,以2010年度日元兑美元的平均汇率计算,达到5.44亿美元,大约超过中国GDP(IMF预计的)8%
  
  Since October, Japan has reported surprisingly strong growth for its third quarter, but also weak data in December that led officials to predict a sharply lower expansion in the final three months of 2010.
  
  虽然在10月份,日本公布了其第三季度经济的超预期强势增长,但到了12月,经济疲软的数据使当局预计第四季度经济将呈缓慢增长之势。
  
  In other words, there’s no sign of the sort of miraculous late-year economic boom Japan would need to maintain the global GDP runner-up status it has held since 1968.
  
  换言之,没有迹象表明日本能保持上年度的强势增长,以维持自68年以来全球经济总量亚军的位置。
  
  “Based on our in-house estimates, China has surpassed by Japan by a wide margin. Although Japan’s fourth quarter numbers aren’t out yet, it’s basically not possible for Japan to make up the difference,” said Bank of America-Merrill Lynch economist Lu Ting.
  
  “据我们的内部预测,中国经济今年将大幅超过日本。虽然日本第四季度数据尚未公布,但基本山不足以使日本弥补差距。”美林银行经济学家LuTing称
  
  Japan’s economy minister conceded the point. “The Japanese people should welcome our neighbor, China’s growth,” said Kaoru Yosano, Minister of State For Economy and Fiscal Policy. “Japan’s economic activity continues to be important to the rest of the world” even as China overtakes Japan in size, he said.
  
  日本财政金融大臣与谢野馨(Kaoru Yosano)承认了这一观点, “日本国民应当欢迎我们的邻居,中国的增长。”他表示日本经济活动对世界其他地区的影响始终是重要的,即使中国在规模上超越了日本。
  
  All of this means that pundits and prognosticators will now increasingly focus on the next milestone: No. 1. That’s likely a good way off, still, however, with U.S. output this year likely to approach $15 trillion.
  
  总的来说,这意味着,未来权威人士和预测家们将更加关注下一里程碑:经济总量第一。但这依然似乎是相当长的旅程,毕竟美国今年的经济产出将近万亿美元。
  
  –Jason Dean with contributions from Aaron Back
  

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楼主simo999 时间:2011-03-30 03:59:00
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  12:52 am January 21, 2011
  
  Boxuan wrote:
  
  It means nothing. By purchasing power parity, China’s GDP has surpassed Japan’s as early as 2001, all the following work is just to catch up with USA. And since the top 2 ranking hasn’t changed since then, there should be nothing to say about it. Can’t believe this non-news has been reported over and over again by western media. Most people don’t really care about it in China.
  
  这新闻说明不了什么,按购买力平价来计算的话,中国的GDP早在2001年就超过了日本,接下来做的无非是赶超美国。既然那时起头两名的位置就没变化,那现在还说这个做什么。真难想象西方媒体反复报道这种一点都不新的消息。在中国,大部分人都不怎么关心这个。
  
  1:27 am January 21, 2011
  
  Ming Au wrote:
  
  Total GDP is a meaningless number. For quality of life, GDP per person matters. China is far far behind western countries, even latin American developing countries, on that count. China has come a long way from mass starvation in 1970s/1980s, and has a long way to go in reducing abject poverty in its heartland villages, in reducing pollution from its air and water, in catching up with free societies of the west.
  
  GDP总量数据的意义不大。从生活质量考虑,人均GDP影响更大。在这一点,中国远落后于西方国家,甚至一些拉美发展中国家。从1970/80的饥荒算起,中国已经走了很长的路,在减少内陆农村赤贫、降低污染和赶上西方自由社会这几个领域还有很长路要走。
  
  1:47 am January 21, 2011
  
  @Ming wrote:
  
  I agree. You can’t just take total GDP and use it as a measuring stick. China is a huge country with the largest popuation and almost unlimited resources. Of course they should have a larger GDP than Japan! Japan is a tiny island populated by a dwindling population. I guess that only further substantiates Japan’s success… the mere fact they were able to maintain a #2 position in the world is quite a feat.
  
  But going back to Ming’s point, GDP per person is going to be a better measuring stick to accurately assess quality of life.
  
  我同意,不能只拿GDP总量说事,不能把它作为唯一评判标准。中国是有着最多人口、几乎无限资源的庞大国家。自然他们的GDP要比日本大!日本只是一个人口在缩减中的小岛。我想这更强调了日本的成功。。。他们能保持在世界第二的位置实在是壮举。
  
  回到Ming的观点,相比总量,人均GDP更能衡量生活质量。
  
  1:53 am January 21, 2011
  
  Waiguoren wrote:
  
  Oh, yes they do. They might not follow it on a day to day basis, but Chinese care very much for the day when they might be #1 in the entire globe. It wil mark the long resurrection after a long decline, false humility aside. Chinese are not braggarts, but they are aware of history, and their country’s return will be cause for jubilation - for a day, before the accompanying responsibilities sink in.
  
  他们关心的,他们可能不是每天都想这个,但是中国人很在意他们成为世界第一的那天。这标志着长期衰退之后的复兴。中国人并不喜欢自夸,但是他们熟悉、感受历史,他们国度的复兴将是他们欢腾的好理由——直到了解其中伴随的担子。
  
  2:47 am January 21, 2011
  
  anon wrote:
  
  China is not interested in whether it is number 1,2,3, 0r 4 but just the improvement of the wellbeing of the country and its people.
  
  中国不关心这种排名,而关心国家和人民的生存状态的改善
  
楼主simo999 时间:2011-03-30 04:00:00
  2:54 am January 21, 2011
  
  Brickell Princess wrote:
  
  If you want a reality check, if you need a way to realize how far the USA has sunk and how pathetic we have failed. Then realize this fact: It has taken China less than 20 years to achieve what it has taken the United States over 200 years. Just look at everything that China has accomplished in less than 20 years. Just take a look at their network of high speed trains. Here, in the not so mighty USA, we’re just beginning to talk about high speed trains and we will never have them.
  
  We have failed because Americans have no incentive to work harder. I, for one, could care less if I make more money this year. Why? Because I just realized, after having my taxes done, that 31% of my income has been stolen from me by the city, county, state, and federal government. I have absolutely no desire to work harder to keep proving those clowns with more tax revenues. Besides, I get nothing in return because I am not poor enough!
  
  So hold on tight! This downward spiral has never been so bumpy or run down so fast.
  
  如果你想看看现实,看看USA已经多沉沦了和我们所遭遇的失败。那就认清现实吧:中国用20年时间走完美国200多年时间走完的路。只要看看中国在不到20年时间所取得的。只要看看中国的高速铁路网,在这里,在USA,我们才刚开始讨论高铁,而且我们永远也不会有它。
  
  我们之所以失败在于我们美国人没有努力工作的动力。只想着今年要是能赚到更多钱,就不去考虑其他。为什么,因为我们只想到完税后,31%的收入被市里,州和联邦政府收走。一想到努力工作可以让他们收到更多税,我就没有努力工作的想法。何况,我也不是很穷,努力工作没好处。
  
  3:08 am January 21, 2011
  
  dogstar wrote:
  
  why use $USD as the single yardstick, use PPP makes more sense
  
  为什么用美元做计算单位,用购买力平价更有意义
  
  The Truth wrote:
  
  Those statistics are meaningless.
  
  Everybody knows that China already produces more goods and services than America.
  
  Therefore China already has a bigger GDP than America.
  
  Everybody knows that the real GDP of China in terms of real purchasing power parity is worth at least 24 trillion dollars, and not 5 trillion dollars.
  
  这些数字有什么意义
  
  大家都知道相比美国,中国生产了更多的商品、提供了更多货物,因此中国GDP比美国高
  
  大家都知道用购买力平价计算的中国实际GDP至少24万亿美元,而不是5万亿美元。
  
  China will not be only a mere superpower like America or the former Soviet Union.
  
  China will be the first and only Megapower.
  
  A world power such as England or France only has around 50 million people, produces about 20 million tonnes of steel, and can field an army of 250,000 soldiers.
  
  A world superpower such as America or the former Soviet Union only has around 250 million people, produces about 100 million tonnes of steel and can field an army of 1,250,000 soldiers.
  
  A world Megapower such as China will soon be, has over 1,250 million people, produces
  
  over 500 million tonnes of steel, and can field a peacetime army of over 5 million soldiers.
  
  中国将不仅是美国或前苏联这样的超级大国,而将是更加强大的力量,空前绝后。
  
  像英法这样的世界大国仅有5000万人口,年产2000万吨钢铁,保持25万常备军。
  
  像美国和前苏联这样的超级大国也只有2亿5千万人口,年产1亿吨钢铁,保持125万常备军。
  
  而像中国这样的力量,将有12亿5千万的人口,生产5亿吨钢铁,并在和平时期保持500万常备军。
楼主simo999 时间:2011-03-30 04:02:00
  China will soon be 5 times bigger, 5 times richer and 5 times more powerful than America.
  
  China will soon have 5 times the real GDP of America, and the Chinese military will soon be 5 times bigger and more powerful than the American military.
  
  中国很快将5倍于美国经济总量,5倍于美国富裕,5倍于美国强大。
  
  中国实际GDP很快将5倍于美国,中国军力很快将5倍于的庞大和力量。
  
  Today, China is already catching up with America in terms of science and technology, and China already has more than 3 times the actual industrial production capabilities of America.
  
  China already has over 160 million industrial workers compared to only 17 million industrial workers in America. Although the average American industrial worker is 3 times more productive than the average Chinese industrial worker, the sheer number of Chinese industrial workers dwarf their American counterparts.
  
  China already has 7 times the steel production capabilities of America ( over 600 million tonnes of steel ),
  25 times the electronics production capabilities of America and 60 times the shipbuilding production capabilities of America ( over 65 million tonnes of ships ).
  
  现在,中国已经在科技领域赶超美国,中国有着3倍于美国的工业生产能力
  
  中国有着1亿6千万的庞大产业队伍,而美国只有1千7百万。虽然美国工人的平均生产效率3倍于中国,但仅仅工人数量上足以让美国相形见绌。
  
  中国有着7倍于美国的钢铁产能(产能超过6亿吨)
  
  25倍于美国的电子产品产能和60倍于美国的船舶产能(总产能6500万吨位)
  
  By the year 2016, China will have 3 times the real GDP of America.
  
  By the year 2016, China should have overtaken America in science and technology, in the number of registered industrial patents, and China should have 5 times the industrial production capabilities of America.
  
  By the year 2016. China should have 12 times the steel production capabilities of America, 45 times the electronics production capabilities of America and 120 times the shipbuilding production capabilities of America.
  
  Therefore, by 2016, China should be able to design more advanced weapons than America ( stealth fighters, submarines, ballistic missiles, etc…) , and China would have the industrial production capabilities to produce 5 times more military weapons than America.
  
  China will soon have 5 times the political and cultural power of America, which means that the Chinese language will soon overtake the English language. The Chinese language will become the most widely used international language around the world.
  
  到2016年,中国将有3倍于美国的实际GDP。
  
  到2016年,中国将取代美国在科技的领先地位,在申请专利数上超越美国,并且有5倍于美国的产能。
  
  到2016年,中国将有12倍于美国的钢铁产能,120倍的船舶产能。
  
  因此到了2016年,中国将制造更先进的武器(隐形战机、潜艇、弹道导弹等等)而且也有5倍与美国的产能去制造更多的武器。
  
  很快中国将有5倍于美国的政治文化影响力,中文将取代英文在世界的地位,成为最广泛使用的国际性语言。
楼主simo999 时间:2011-03-30 04:04:00
  5:08 am January 21, 2011
  
  Not logical wrote:
  
  @ Brickell Princess
  
  The truth is most Chinese in the mainland looks towards USA and imagine the American dreams.
  However after experiencing the type of double standard and Hypocrisy there, many e.g.Professor Shi Yigong, who recently gave up a prestige position at Princeton University to return to Tsinghua University return to PRC. Why do that? He is already an American citizen.
  
  事实上很多大陆的中国人向往着美国和美国梦。但是在经历了美国的双重标准和虚伪之后,很多人会放弃回到中国,比如最近放弃普林斯顿大学大学返回清华大学的施一公教授。为什么?他已经取得了美国公民资格
  
  Another case is UC San Francisco professor Chao Tang, who also is founder and director of the Center for Theoretical Biology at Peking University, where he teaches part of the year.
  
  另外一个例子是了加州大学洛杉矶分校的汤超教授,同时也是北京大学理论生物学中心的创始人和领导者,每年他都会在那里任教一段时间。
  A leader in the field of quantitative biology, Tang said holding positions at the two universities gives him the best of both worlds: He can stay connected with experts in his field in the U.S. while still being part of the transformation of science in China. Tang recognizes that people with his skills provide a crucial component that China is lacking as it attempts to accelerate its capacity to innovate.
  
  作为定量生物学的学科带头人,他说在2个大学拥有职位使它能充分利用2者提供的不同资源:它可以一边同美国专家保持联系,同时成为中国科技发展的一部分。他认为中国要提高创新能力就一定缺乏像他这样在关键领域有一定技能和能力的人。
  “They need people like us to be leaders, to build up institutes, to build up centers, to build up departments and to attract young people around us,” he said. “They have almost everything else: money, buildings, bright students. But what is needed is what is called the ’soft environment.’ People plus the system. To build a system you need people.”
  
  “他们需要像我们这样的人作为领导者,建立研究机构、研究中心、系和专业,并招收年轻学生。”他说,他们有着其他的一切:资金,大楼,聪明学生。但是还需要所谓的软环境,人构成组建了系统,构建这样的系统需要合适的人员。
  U.S. researchers are finding it increasingly difficult to win federal grants, and public universities such as University of California have been faced with MASSIVE BUDGET CUTS. Meanwhile, top scientists in China are more concerned about how to spend money than how to get it.
  
  美国研究者发觉现在越来越难以申请到联邦津贴,像加利福尼亚大学这样的公立学校也在面临着大幅的预算削减。与此同时,在中国,顶级科学家却更多考虑如何花钱而不是获得。
楼主simo999 时间:2011-03-30 04:06:00
  Well done, Bickell Princess for being yourself countering the illusionist effects of your medias who are still engage in the COLD WAR mentality. IMHO there is no way USA can get out of its present predicament except to raise new taxes or cutting expenditure including DEFENSE.
  
  Bickell Princess你受到不少那些抱有冷战思维的媒体的负面影响。恕我直言,如果美国不开征新税或者削减防务支出,那美国将无法走出当前的困境。
  That is why most of us laugh when some American says BUY AMERICAN product. Well says but that will cause inflation because average American Family with the same income, will have to foot out more everything for the same purchase. That is why economists today are using PPP to measure the GDP.
  
  这就是为什么我们笑那些嚷嚷着“买美国货”的人。他们说得好听,但这样做会导致通胀,美国家庭平均收入不变前提下,购买相同产品的支出却在不断提升。这也是为什么经济学家现在用购买力平价去测算GDP。
  8 year of GW Bush has damage USA and even today USA have not dissect herself from Iraq or Afghanistan all because of PRIDE, That is what really hurting USA most today.
  Chinese on the other hand, are trying to achieve the American dream but in China itself. Yes! They have less POLITICAL Freedom but is they so important.
  
  GW 布什主政8年,伤害了美国,甚至到今天美国都没摆脱阿富汗和伊拉克的泥潭,就因为所谓的自豪感,这是现在真正伤害美国的。
楼主simo999 时间:2011-03-30 04:07:00
  5:15 am January 21, 2011
  
  Count Asdf wrote:
  
  We will know that China is the greatest nation in the world when we see Africans, Americans, Europeans, Indians, Latin Americans and other Asians trying to immigrate *into* China.
  
  ?当我们看到那么多非洲人、美国人、欧洲人、拉丁美洲人和其他亚洲地区的人都试着移民中国时,我们将看到中国将成为世界上最伟大的国家
  
  If that sounds incredible today, it is because China does have a long way to go. Nevertheless, if there is one thing that we know, it is that the China of 2011 is very different from the China of 2001, or the one that we will see in 2021.
  
  如果你认为这是不可能的,那仅仅是因为中国确实还有好长路要走。但是,有件事我们已经知道,2011年的中国大大不同于2001年的中国,也不同于2021年我们所讲见到的中国。
  
  I suppose that as recently as 10 to 20 years ago, America used to be that ‘magnet country’. Not anymore; but maybe we shall imagine a new, better dream from pieces of the old one. If you Chinese want to build an American dream in China, just remember that the American dream was never only *just* American.
  
  我想,如果放在10年、20年前,那美国依然是世界的磁极,现在再也不是了。但我们也许可以从旧时的美国梦中创造一个更新、更好的,如果你们中国人想在中国实现美国梦,记住“美国梦不仅仅发生在美国”
  
  5:37 am January 21, 2011
  
  George wrote:
  
  I recently had a one-hour conversation with a bright young woman from China who is an international student working on her master’s degree here in the US.
  
  According to her, among the very worst things that could have happened to China is the transition from an agricultural to an industrial economy.
  
  我最近和一名在美留学研读硕士的中国留学生交流过。按他的说法,在中国发生的很糟糕的是农业经济向工业经济的转型
  
  “Only a few years ago, most people rode bicycles. Now we have traffic jams that are up to 60km long and take 2 weeks to clear.
  
  “Our farmland is disappearing every day, either from pollution or from conversion to residential property.
  
  “Housing prices have soared so high that only a tiny fraction of the population can afford to buy one.
  
  “More and more Chinese are living only for the present, obsessed with money, unaware that our rapid economic growth is destroying our planet.
  
  “It’s all very sad.”
  
  Is she correct?
  
  “几年前,大部分人都骑自行车,如今交通堵塞甚至可以长达60公里,需要2周时间才能清理完。
  
  “因为污染或者房地产开发,我们的耕地每年都在消失。”
  
  “房价如此高昂以至于只有小部分人能买得起房”
  
  “越来越多的中国人只顾及这一代人,对迅速发展的经济对环境的环境的负面影响充耳不闻。”
  
  真的是这样吗?
  
  According an article in the Journal that was published online in 2004, that the competition for oil that is resulting from the industrialization of China may lead to the next worldwide war.
  
  根据华尔街日报2004年的一篇文章,受中国工业化进程影响,对石油资源的需求不断提高,有可能引发新的世界战争。
楼主simo999 时间:2011-03-30 04:08:00
  6:55 am January 21, 2011
  
  Not logical wrote:
  
  @ Count Asdf
  
  No doubt about that, China still has a long and arduous journey ahead. With 1.3 billion population and growing, there will be myriads of social problems e.g. killing of kids by mad individuals, ensuring a continuous food and water supplies e.g. channeling of water from South to North, energy consumption e.g. Chinese consumption of electricity went up 17 percent last year, natural disasters e.g. Sichuan Earthquake. etc etc
  
  无疑,中国的发展进程将是漫长而艰巨的。有着13亿且还在增长中的人口,必然会有很多的社会问题。比如未成年人的安全问题、持续稳定的食物和水的供应、南水北调、能源消耗等等、自然灾害、四川地震等等等等。
  
  I think the objectives of PRC right now among others is to uplift its own people living standards, ensuring better transportation e.g. high speed rails, better communications e.g. there are 457 million netizen in 2010, weather prediction for crops, etc.
  
  我想中国现在的首要目标是提升人们的生活水平,提供更方便的出行、通信(2010年有4亿5千万网民)农业天气预报等等
  
  Weapons developed like DF21D, J20 stealth fighters or ASAT by China are generally defensive and intended to send a message to the external forces not to interfere with her internal affair. So in effect, we will see a generally a PEACEFUL RISE of PRC for the next 100 years.
  
  武器上的发展如东风21D、歼-20隐形战斗机、反卫星武器总体上都是防御性的,因此,事实上,在未来100年,我们将看到中国的和平崛起。
  
  USA on the other hand should take a cue from China and withdraw from the role of the WORLD POLICEMAN and focus on improving its economy or more bluntly repay its mounting debts.
  
  我们美国则应该向中国学习,从世界警察的角色中脱身,更多关注自身经济发展,减少外债。
  Some American thinks by buying resorting to a protectionist policy or boycott China goods, their woe will go away. They cant be more wrong, per capita American purchase of Chinese goods is less than that of even the ASEAN or Australian. So where is all the surplus of China against USA coming from. To help USA to generate income. Cheap goods manufactured by USA aboard are exported and sold to other countries e.g. Adidas, Nike, etc. and that help to revive the USA economy. 70 percent of US companies operating in PRC are profitable at the time USA economy is down. Cheaper Chinese goods sold in USA has help her to control inflation rate. That should be view as POSITIVE. Tibet, Taiwan, Human Right, etc are just tools employed by USA as a leverage in her trade with PRC. How does USD19 billion purchase with Boeing alone sound to you?
  
  I really like to see how much FREEDOM American can enjoy or have when their population reach 1 billion.
  
  有些美国人觉得只要采取贸易保护主义措施或者抵制中国商品,他们的烦恼便会消失。他们错的不能再错了。通过购买中国产品,美国家庭的购买力大大提高了。美国海外工厂制造出售给其他国家的廉价商品也帮助了美国经济的复苏。当美国经济还在衰退,70%的在华美国公司都是盈利的。廉价的中国商品帮助控制美国的通胀势头。中国商品对美国经济的影响是积极的。至于西藏、台湾、人权只不过是美国用来同中国进行贸易谈判的工具。你觉得190亿美元的波音订单如何?
  
  我真想看看,当美国人口达到10亿时,国人们还能有多少自由。
楼主simo999 时间:2011-03-30 04:09:00
  8:18 am January 21, 2011
  
  @The Truth wrote:
  
  China is very good at copying something and making it better… well not better, but certainly cheaper. Okay, okay, sometimes they do make things better. But what happens when China is indeed the true megapower and there is nothing else to copy and make better but itself? China has always lacked innovation and it faces serious hurdles going forward.
  
  中国很擅长复制改进...即使不一定更好,也肯定更便宜。确实他们做的让事情变得更好了。但是如果中国真的成为megapower,除了从他自身之外没有可以复制和改进,那怎么办。中国总是缺乏创新能力,未来之路必然要面临许多障碍。
  
  9:50 am January 21, 2011
  
  Engineer wrote:
  
  That is a very sweeping statement that is made without the real understanding!
  
  真是泛泛之谈,没真正理解
  
  The DA8000 Gas Turbine engine that was installed on the 52C destroyer broke down during the first sea trial. The faulty engine crystal blade was improvise using Chinese made component and since that the same ship have served in Somalia and returned without any problem speak for itself.
  
  在052C型驱逐舰第一次海试期间,舰上的DA8000涡轮式发动机损坏了。随后引擎涡轮叶片采用了中国产元件进行组装,此后该传索马里服役正常充分说明了中国造产品的质量
  The AL31F engine on the Russian SU30 Flanker suffer from short TBO 900 hours. That is why most IAF SU30MKI is grounded at any time for maintenance. That is not the case with China SU30MKK. Do you know why? Because China maintained these engine herself using China improvised spare=parts. China own design WS10A has the same lifespan as western equivalent 1500 hours. Since then Malaysian and Indonesian has sought the help of China to maintain her fleet of SU30MKM which has infuriate the Russian who insists that such engine be shipped back to Moscow and replacement will be despatch in return.
  
  俄制S-30战斗机装载的AL31F发动机的生命周期较短,这也是为什么大部分IAF S-30战斗机大部分时间都在地面维护。但是中国所用的S30MKK却不是如此。知道为什么吗?因为中国维护战机所用的是国产零件。中国独立设计的WS10A用着同西方一样长的生命周期。此后,马来西亚和印度尼西亚寻求中国帮助来维护他们的SU30MKM机群,俄国对此十分不满,坚持维护和零件更换都要运回莫斯科进行。
  
  The J20 stealth fighter taking to the air using China own indigenous engines is significant. It shows that China has already arrived when it can to aero-technology which was its achilles heel.
  
  歼-20隐形战斗机的首飞采用了中国独立研发的发动机,这是一个重要的信号。他说明了中国已经掌握了黄金时期弱项的航空技术。
楼主simo999 时间:2011-03-30 04:10:00
  it is easy to accuse other nation of copying when most developed nations were copying from each other before their industries mature e.g. USA, Japan, South Korea, etc.
  For instance, the Russian Klimov VK-1 that powered MiG 15 as almost an exact copy of the Rolls Royce Nene. How about Japan Datsun now called Nissan A series engine. It was copied from Austin, UK. the list can continue.
  
  虽然发达国家谴责其他国家复制其技术,但事实上他们的工业体系发达前同样也是在复制他国技术中发展,例如美国、日本、韩国等等
  
  比如俄制米格15战斗机的发动机技术就是对Rolls Royce Nene的抄袭。日本的尼桑A系列发动机则原是英国Austin的技术,这样的例子数不胜数。
  for those of you who are non engineers, let me tell you It is not easy to reverse engineer. You have to retest and re-establish the data and what about the unknown structure of the material i.e. metallurgy.
  
  让我来告诉你们,你们不是工程师,你们不知道逆向工程其实一点都不简单。必须要重新测试和重建数据、了解材料的结构。
  
  So seemingly naive comments coming from cunning posters like @The Truth is truly UNTRUTHFUL with the intention of humiliating another nation and its engineers.
  
  像@The Truth所写的如此无知的评论实在是对其他国家及其工程技术的侮辱
  
  There are many Chinese Products out there which is setting new standard e.g. Tailless Haier 3D LCD TV that is completely wireless. Even the electrical power is transfer by air. BYD electric cars takes requires only 10 mins for a 50 percent charges and that takes you 180 km. Is there a competitor yet.
  The lists can goes on!
  
  事实上,有很多中国产品正在创立新的技术标准。海尔无线3D LCD TV真正实现了彻底无线,甚至连电能都是无线传播。比亚迪汽车只需10分钟就能完成50%充能,并且可以此驾驶180公里。现在这些有竞争者吗?
  
  这样的例子还有很多
  
  9:54 am January 21, 2011
  
  May wrote:
  
  I think it is meaningless to say such news again and agian~~
  
  我认为反复报道这样的新闻是没有意义的
  
  10:10 am January 21, 2011
  
  Anonymous wrote:
  
  I bet none of these so-called ‘developed’ countries from the West could ever achieve what China did given the same background and low starting point to begin with.Besides,after they achieved their ‘developed’ status,they tried to cover up their dirty past by accusing other countries of ’stealing,….etc’.I bet 10-15 years from now,these fools will shut up.
  
  我打赌以中国的背景和低起点,没有任何所谓发达国家能取得中国这样的成就。再者,在他们达到所谓发达状态时,他们试图通过谴责他国盗取技术来掩盖他们的肮脏过去。我打赌15年后,这些蠢蛋就会闭嘴。
  
  
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  (完)
作者:大名鼎鼎的不鸣凤 时间:2011-03-30 04:24:00
  穿别人的鞋,走自己的路
  
作者:remonce 时间:2011-03-30 04:26:00
  我想说。。。。这都是真的美国网站美国人的言论吗?怎么总感觉对中国过于称赞了?称赞到让人觉得可怕,不真实。据我所知对中国抱有负面印象的人占有50%以上。作为中国人我只想说,中国的发展的确很快,可是快中却有不少不稳定因素。例如教育,人均收入,飞速上涨的物价,民众普遍素质等等。看到自己国家发展快,很高兴。。。。可是说真的我宁愿看到负面的评价,而不总是这种类似于中国无敌论,中国将成为全宇宙最强的观点,中国人没有那么自傲,自满。
楼主simo999 时间:2011-03-30 04:37:00
  11#作者:remonce 回复日期:2011-3-30 4:26:00
  ================
  美国其实是个走极端的社会,非此即彼、非敌即友……。
  最近金融危机后的美国,悲观情绪泛滥,所以发言也就显得很可笑,这不足为奇。
  
  其实,中国人口太多,即使收入跟美国人一样,享受到的生活质量也不可能跟美国人相比:除非美国人也增长到13亿。
  想过最舒坦最不劳而获的生活,美国在很久的未来将一直会的首选。
作者:夜夜微雨 时间:2011-03-30 05:00:00
  作者:remonce 回复日期:2011-3-30 4:26:00
  
  ======================================================
  所谓美国对中国抱有的“负面”印象,是指“敌视”,却并非“轻视”。恰相反,美国在老大位子上坐得久了,为着时刻鞭策警醒自己,它需要一个假想敌——没有就塑造一个,而且把对方极尽夸大。这些评论还算低调的,更夸张的多了去,看看他们的中期竞选广告,俨然一副2030中国主宰地球的样子= =
  
  要看负面的新闻国内资源充足,没必要从美帝那儿找。美帝对中国“批评”的声音大多并非善意督促,而是恶意诬蔑抹黑(比如CNN)——说到底,不管美帝夸中国,还是骂中国,都是为了美帝自己的利益考量,而不是为了中国好。
  
  中国问题是多,可没到了足以扼制中国发展势头的地步。中国不好自傲自满,也不好妄自菲薄,管别人作甚,专心致志走自己的路就好。
  
作者:风云杀无赦 时间:2011-03-30 10:30:00
  对中国过于称赞,称赞到让人觉得可怕。。。。。我宁愿看到负面的评价。。。。
    ---------------------------------------------------
    同理可证,知道我为什么不愿意在台版看到一对大陆人一天到晚贬低台湾人了吗?
    我们称赞他们,他们倒反会觉得我们可怕,我们贬低他们,他们就认为我们不足为惧,心理是一样的。
    可惜大部分人看不清这点。
  ======================================
  哇日,爱装B的真多,都喜欢自淫,众人皆醉我独醒。恶意辱骂,肆意抹黑,你喜欢看那就多看点,这是找虐。善意的批评,本意是为你好的那才是值得你去尊重的。被一群流氓像孙子样辱骂你,你会觉得很有必要吗。不管是称赞还是批评,必须建立在一个度上,过度都是没好处的。
作者:remonce 时间:2011-03-30 10:37:00
  @风云杀无赦
  你是中国的骄傲,对你的思维和智商我表示佩服。看在同胞的份上,我解释一下我的话,老外越是污蔑中国,中伤中国,就越代表他们不了解中国,或者嫉妒中国的发展。这种人很幼稚,很无能,对我们的发展没有一点损害。可那些看得清事实,说好听恭维话的人,往往了解你,懂你。表面上说一些好听的话,却不知道这些话会引起西方更多人对中国的敌意,这才是可怕的。一天只知道张嘴骂人,侮辱别人的猪不可怕。怕就怕那些对你了若指掌的笑面虎。懂了吗?服了。
作者:云罗雁 时间:2011-03-30 10:58:00
  神马都是浮云,
  没意义
楼主simo999 时间:2011-03-30 19:31:00
  捧那就把你捧到天上,损你就把你损得一钱不值
作者:dlsmdztyl 时间:2011-03-30 21:05:00
  所嘎
  原来每个国家都有精英
  
  闪
作者:ana_ivanovic 时间:2011-03-30 21:37:00
  精英大杀器太恐怖了 幸亏我们坛子里的jy比较活跃以毒攻毒抵消掉了一部分杀伤力 不然我国要遭大难了
作者:我系客家郎 时间:2011-05-26 23:15:00
  发现每次转载的美国论坛评论似乎都比较理性。
作者:游骑兵老马甲 时间:2011-05-26 23:39:00
  22#回复 作者:我系客家郎 回复日期:2011-5-26 23:15:00
    发现每次转载的美国论坛评论似乎都比较理性
  ================================================
  
  这是美国论坛的特点。日韩台则完全不是这样。
作者:小小叹叹 时间:2011-05-26 23:41:00
  很多还比较专业,注入军事方面的,还有海尔的
作者:老衲轻插下好吗 时间:2011-05-26 23:53:00
  这是大国网民的认知,再看看矮黑网民,鲜明对比
作者:姑娘快跑书记来了 时间:2011-05-27 00:28:00
  评论很客观,美国网民评论一向比较客观,相对张嘴就吹老子天下第一的台韩网民 ,强的太多,大国国民就是不一样
作者:Smile因素 时间:2011-05-27 00:41:00
  
   啧啧 楼主要酸台湾也不必弱智到这种地步
  
   你以为外国人的语气都跟国内的五毛的语气都一样哦
  
   你叫国内五毛的情何以堪 自己的经典语句被搞成牛仔嘴里说出来的
  
   多尴尬~~~~
作者:hehiroki 时间:2011-05-27 01:02:00
  世界第一又如何,,人均上不到去的就要低调点做实事就好了
作者:呆湾 时间:2011-05-27 01:34:00
  从网名上看,大部分是中国人或者是华人。
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