在美帝,貌似伊兰特跟速腾同一级别,甚至更高端些?

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  都属于20000美金正负10%的经济型轿车。

  同比:
  (1)速腾:市场价比车店进货价便宜1500~2000美金。
  (2)伊兰特:市场价比车店进货价便宜400~600美金。

  对比(市场价):
  速腾:1.4T 6AT最低配 1.76万;最高配2.04万;
  伊兰特:1.4T 7速双离合 2.06万

  数据来源:KBB售车网站
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楼主ddcczz001 时间:2018-02-05 11:29:27

  某众确实财大气粗啊

楼主ddcczz001 时间:2018-02-06 16:05:30



  我说怎么会顶我之前的贴呢,原来是为了选择性放过这一个?

作者:riceonme 时间:2018-02-06 16:06:33
  帮你顶一记
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-06 16:49:16
  我敢打赌楼主帖不出截图来。无论是最低配vs最低配,最高配vs最高配都是捷达价格高。事实上不仅对韩系,实际成交价格大众比丰田、本田普遍都高。
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楼主ddcczz001 时间:2018-02-06 16:54:10

  
  
  

  随便贴一下,数据来源:kbb网站
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-06 17:08:54
  @ddcczz001 2018-02-06 16:54:10
  
  
  
  随便贴一下,数据来源:kbb网站
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  说明什么你能看懂?
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作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-06 17:19:25
  @ddcczz001 2018-02-06 16:54:10
  
  
  
  随便贴一下,数据来源:kbb网站
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  厂家的产品线和定价策略也值得拿来黑?捷达入门1.4t,s,5速手动对应伊兰特2.0 6速手动,伊兰特eco版本已经是伊兰特高端产品。往上捷达还有1.8t,最高还有2.0t的gli。拿什么比?你对比的捷达1.4t是se版本,伊兰特的se版本什么价位?就算如此,你看厂家给出的MSRP如何,发票价格如何,你拿着成交区间来说事。呵呵。
  • ddcczz001: 举报  2018-02-06 17:21:40  评论

    你好好查下英文意思再来吐槽
  • ddcczz001: 举报  2018-02-06 17:25:51  评论

    当然,也可能是我对这些词意思理解错误,你可以教学一下。
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作者:梦韶华 时间:2018-02-06 19:44:28
  天天特供车,我以为美帝没有速腾呢。
  • ddcczz001: 举报  2018-02-06 19:48:25  评论

    我没说过速腾是特供车吧,海外叫“ 捷达”而已。国内的捷达倒真的比较特别。
  • 艺术生活II: 举报  2018-02-06 19:58:30  评论

    美帝的速腾叫捷达,不不不应该是中国的捷达叫速腾,不对不对中国的速腾在美帝叫捷达,美帝的捷达在中国叫速腾,那中国的捷达到底是?
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作者:joor 时间:2018-02-08 13:49:42
  不管怎么说,1.4T的车,折算成人民币都要10万以上了,不如买帝豪。
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作者:边城老狗 时间:2018-02-08 16:44:17
  可能有人会告诉你,韩国人把最好的卖给美帝,最垃圾的卖给中国,大众把最差的卖给美国,最好的卖给中国。
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作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-09 00:15:13
  这几天事挺多,回复不及时,再说几句。大众车在美国市场换代周期比较长,楼主所谓2018捷达其实还是2010年发布的6代,今年刚发布7代,应该还没有货,这么老的车型折扣多一点正常。伊兰特eco是2017年发布的,算是新款车,折扣少点也正常。另外,质保捷达是6年或7万2英里整车有限质保,伊兰特是10年10万英里动力总成质保。还有信贷政策等也影响成交价格,单纯比平价没有多少意义。
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作者:陌雨随风2017 时间:2018-02-10 15:39:51
  @边城老狗 2018-02-08 16:44:17
  可能有人会告诉你,韩国人把最好的卖给美帝,最垃圾的卖给中国,大众把最差的卖给美国,最好的卖给中国。
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  “大众把最好的卖给中国。”呵呵!真还以为你是个葱啊
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作者:Utopiar79 时间:2018-02-11 14:32:29
  光看标题就行了,内容连看都不需要看。主旨意思肯定是:速腾在美售价不如伊兰特,大众只在中国售价高,中国买速腾的都是XX……鉴定完毕。
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作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-11 15:32:59

  
  捷达能卖到3万美金,伊兰特最多卖多钱?
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作者:冰释前嫌2826 时间:2018-02-11 18:28:07
  正常啊,看到过本田雅阁比奥迪a4都贵!
作者:维克多3 时间:2018-02-11 20:53:29
  美帝市场,Elantra见的比较多,Jetta基本见不到。日系比VW多太多。

  倒是豪车BBA比较多见,其中奔驰宝马多过奥迪。

  SUV貌似有4成左右。中国市场SUV火是有道理的。
作者:老友记老友 时间:2018-02-12 14:28:20
  有啥好吵的,其实普通品牌的紧凑型车价格都是一个区间的,丰田、本田、大众、现代基本上还是一个价格区间的,不过大众的销量比较惨,说明了什么呢,说明了美帝对大众不认可,认为大众不值这个价,而认为丰田、本田、现在值这个价,就是这么个简单的道理
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作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-12 14:39:12
  贴一个美国媒体的分析,看看人家对大众的认识,当然有kbb的分析。楼上那些地道的美国通就不要看了,你们够优越了,你们比kbb还bbb。呵呵。
  Volkswagen is in the midst of a full-blown leadership crisis and it's getting worse all the time

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  Volkswagen is in the midst of a full-blown leadership crisis.

  CEO Martin Winterkorn's future at the company may be in jeopardy after VW Group chairman Ferdinand Piech hinted that the chief executive's contract may not be renewed when it runs out next year.

  We don't know how this executive melodrama will play out, we do know that VW's challenges in the US haven't gotten any easier.

  In 2014, Volkswagen sold more than 6.1 million cars worldwide, but fewer than 370,000 of them were in the US.

  Currently, VW holds just 1.9% of the US market, which is fine for a luxury marque such as Mercedes (2.1%) or Lexus (2.0%), but discouraging for a major mass market brand. This is especially troubling when compared to Toyota's 12.3% market share or even to Hyundai's 4.4% stake in US market.

  So far in 2015, Volkswagen sales have slipped a further 5.2%. That's on top of a 10% drop in sales in 2014.

  As Volkswagen Group, now the second-largest automaker in the world, continues to experience worldwide growth, it is troubling that its most prominent mass-market brand is having such a hard time in arguably the most important market in the world.

  Here are four major reasons for VW's struggle in the US.

  High Transaction Costs

  VW sees itself as competing with Toyota and Ford, but consumers don't see them that way, said Alec Gutierrez, senior market analyst at Kelley Blue Book. In the Volkswagen Group family, VW's role is to build mainstream, mass-market transportation while its luxury-oriented siblings like Audi and Bentley build higher priced, fancier models.

  But thanks to its European origins and a close association to its corporate siblings, consumers in the US. see VW as a near-luxury product. This means buyers shopping for products like the brand's Passat sedan approach the process differently than they would if they were shopping for a Honda Accord or a Toyota Camry. A Camry or Accord buyer may be willing to part with his money for a bare-bones base model, but VW shoppers want a German luxury product at a discounted price, leading them to load-up on optional goodies.

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  As a result, the brand is at the highest point in virtually every segment in which it competes, Gutierrez said. While VW has attempted to make its product more attractive to value shoppers by offering stripped-down models, the typical VW still costs more than its competitors.

  According to KBB, the average transaction cost for a Passat sedan in 2014 was $27,300. The average midsize sedan on the market costs $25,000, with the Ford Fusion coming in at $26,000 and an Accord $25,200.

  Another reason for VW's higher price point is the brand's inclusion of premium technology even in lower-level models. The company chose to include complicated turbocharging systems and advanced DSG automated twin-clutch gearboxes on economy models, while competitors like the Honda Civic, Ford Focus, and Toyota Corolla employ cheaper and more conventional technology. The availability of such options is a boon for consumers, but it prevents VW from competing on price with its less sophisticated competitors.

  Lack Of A Competitive Compact Crossover

  As 13% of market, the compact crossover SUV is one of the most important and competitive segments in the US. While VW's Tiguan compact crossover is a good car, it is not nearly as affordable or fuel-efficient as segment leaders, such as the Honda CR-V and Toyota RAV4, said Gutierrez.

  And the difference in sales is staggering. So far in 2015, Honda has sold 73,000 CR-Vs, Nissan's moved 64,000 Rogues while Ford and Toyota have both shipped more than 67,000 of their Escape and RAV-4 crossovers. Conversely, VW has been able to sell just 5,600 Tiguans this year — representing just 1.1% of the segment's sales so for this year.

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  For much of the past decade, Volkswagen has been plagued with powertrain reliability issues in the high-volume four- and five-cylinder engines that power Passat, Jettas, and other VW products, according to Consumer Reports.

  In the past few years, the automaker has made significant strides in quality and received high marks from reviewers at the publication.

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  A Crowded Marketplace

  The final factor for Volkswagen's slipping sales is a marketplace that is growing more and more crowded with competitive products. A decade ago, VW's mass-market products only had to contend with challengers from the major Japanese manufacturers and a couple of domestic products like the Ford Focus. In the decade since, the market has changed significantly.

  Not only are the Japanese brands still riding high; Volkswagen must now also compete with Hyundai and Kia from Korea, and a major resurgence from Detroit's Big 3. Although auto sales are expected to top 17 million cars in 2015, in light this increased competition, Volkswagen's product mix may not allow the brand to take advantage of the hot market.

  How Volkswagen Can Come Back

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  The potential fixes are many, but one thing the brand can do is simply embrace the image their consumers already have of them, says Gutierrez.

  Instead of forcing their way into the mass-market segment, VW could change course and become a near-luxury manufacturer.

  This may be difficult and risky for Volkswagen, because moving into a higher price point could potentially cannibalize sales of Audi's A3 and A4 models, which sell for between $35,000 and $45,000. And a move up market would risk the brand becoming reduced to a niche luxury manufacturer, which does not mesh with VW's already successful global presence as a major mass-market brand. It remains to be seen how the company will try to change its image — and sales figures — in the US.
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-12 14:52:17
  不能回复了?
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-12 16:12:52

  
  
  发一个turecar的报价。前面说了,因为定价策略和产品线的不同,仅仅拿发动机比较是不公正的,大众1.4t s 的要第一点,因为配置。如果要比,得比伊兰特入门级的2.0低配。这样又有人说不公平了。
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-12 16:14:01
  @章鱼哥gg 2018-02-12 16:12:52
  
  
  发一个turecar的报价。前面说了,因为定价策略和产品线的不同,仅仅拿发动机比较是不公正的,大众1.4t s 的要第一点,因为配置。如果要比,得比伊兰特入门级的2.0低配。这样又有人说不公平了。
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  打错了,是truecar
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-13 11:02:09
  @艺术生活II
  
  我从来不像某人就知道喷吃回去了吃回去了,没有一点实质内容还优越感爆棚,我批人都是有依据的。
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作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-13 11:17:46
  @ddcczz001  @艺术生活II
  (2)伊兰特:市场价比车店进货价便宜400~600美金。
  这样的笑话也能获得优越感?美国其他各大专业网站比这低的多。kbb怎么回事?分别点开捷达和伊兰特的Incentive项,就呵呵了。
楼主ddcczz001 时间:2018-02-13 13:10:18

  

  辛苦你这么多天找了个网站,然而网站对你很不友好。红线位置说了美国捷达的对手是哪些
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-13 13:44:39
  @ddcczz001 2018-02-13 13:10:18
  
  辛苦你这么多天找了个网站,然而网站对你很不友好。红线位置说了美国捷达的对手是哪些
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  呵呵,这里的逻辑在哪里?不好意思,没看懂?反驳了我的什么观点?
  • ddcczz001: 举报  2018-02-13 15:20:50  评论

    评论 章鱼哥gg:不知道怎么和你说逻辑。老牌网站kbb的成交价,显示同等发动机排量下,伊兰特贵过全部速腾。按你说的新网站truecar,伊兰特14也是落在速腾14最低最高配的区间。如果你说的速腾是德国进口,山长水远各种费用可比现代的墨西哥贵多了,那岂不是更加亏本卖了?
  • 章鱼哥gg: 举报  2018-02-14 08:57:27  评论

    评论 ddcczz001:你脑子有问题,说速腾是德国进口的是@艺术生活II ,连友军都往死里打,傻子。
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作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-13 13:47:44
  @ddcczz001 2018-02-13 13:10:18
  
  辛苦你这么多天找了个网站,然而网站对你很不友好。红线位置说了美国捷达的对手是哪些
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  我有说过捷达的竞争对手是雅阁凯美瑞?莫名其妙?
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-14 11:04:18

  
  @@艺术生活II @ddcczz001 要真是想讨论一个问题,咱就拿证据讲道理,要是自我膨胀优越感爆满无视我提供的论据,那也没什么好说的。满眼看到的你们的证据就是你们的证词“双重标准”“捷达德产”。
  口口声声kbb,我提供的美国媒体采访kbb关于大众的价位的文章比你们拍脑袋得出的结论还不可信?影响成交价还有隐性的优惠,我前面也提出了,点开Incentive,大众捷达只有大学毕业生有一个500美金的优惠手段,看看伊兰特的。
  • 艺术生活II: 举报  2018-02-14 12:54:53  评论

    你说这么多有卵用?拿两品牌同排量近似配置的车对比不就行了吗?美国人说大众比别人高级你也信?还一直老款老款,你不知道拿速腾上市时的价格对比出来看看吗?
  • 章鱼哥gg: 举报  2018-02-14 13:55:22  评论

    评论 艺术生活II:你说这些有卵用,怪不得优越感爆棚。捷达没2.0的就这一点就已经不如伊兰特高级了,美国人说什么也不要信,就信你;谁都不服,舅服你。
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作者:未来的钻石王老五 时间:2018-02-14 11:15:52
  难道这俩车不是本来就一个档次的么?
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-14 13:59:11
  @未来的钻石王老五 2018-02-14 11:15:52
  难道这俩车不是本来就一个档次的么?
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  这涉及优越感的问题:(1)速腾:市场价比车店进货价便宜1500~2000美金。
  (2)伊兰特:市场价比车店进货价便宜400~600美金。
  你看,伊兰特优越感爆棚了吧。
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-14 16:16:50

  
  卡罗拉杯具了。全系只有1.8发动机,伊兰特起点2.0,连和伊兰特比的资格都没有。伊兰特,高级。优越感,爆棚。
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