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  速腾:1.4T 6AT最低配 1.76万;最高配2.04万;
  伊兰特:1.4T 7速双离合 2.06万



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作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-06 17:08:54
  @ddcczz001 2018-02-06 16:54:10
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-06 17:19:25
  @ddcczz001 2018-02-06 16:54:10
  厂家的产品线和定价策略也值得拿来黑?捷达入门1.4t,s,5速手动对应伊兰特2.0 6速手动,伊兰特eco版本已经是伊兰特高端产品。往上捷达还有1.8t,最高还有2.0t的gli。拿什么比?你对比的捷达1.4t是se版本,伊兰特的se版本什么价位?就算如此,你看厂家给出的MSRP如何,发票价格如何,你拿着成交区间来说事。呵呵。
  • ddcczz001: 举报  2018-02-06 17:21:40  评论

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作者:梦韶华 时间:2018-02-06 19:44:28
  • ddcczz001: 举报  2018-02-06 19:48:25  评论

    我没说过速腾是特供车吧,海外叫“ 捷达”而已。国内的捷达倒真的比较特别。
  • 艺术生活II: 举报  2018-02-06 19:58:30  评论

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作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-12 14:39:12
  Volkswagen is in the midst of a full-blown leadership crisis and it's getting worse all the time

  Benjamin Zhang

  Apr. 16, 2015, 6:52 PM 38,138
  Martin Winkelhorn VW
  Martin Winterkorn (center) in a discussion with colleagues. AP
  Volkswagen is in the midst of a full-blown leadership crisis.

  CEO Martin Winterkorn's future at the company may be in jeopardy after VW Group chairman Ferdinand Piech hinted that the chief executive's contract may not be renewed when it runs out next year.

  We don't know how this executive melodrama will play out, we do know that VW's challenges in the US haven't gotten any easier.

  In 2014, Volkswagen sold more than 6.1 million cars worldwide, but fewer than 370,000 of them were in the US.

  Currently, VW holds just 1.9% of the US market, which is fine for a luxury marque such as Mercedes (2.1%) or Lexus (2.0%), but discouraging for a major mass market brand. This is especially troubling when compared to Toyota's 12.3% market share or even to Hyundai's 4.4% stake in US market.

  So far in 2015, Volkswagen sales have slipped a further 5.2%. That's on top of a 10% drop in sales in 2014.

  As Volkswagen Group, now the second-largest automaker in the world, continues to experience worldwide growth, it is troubling that its most prominent mass-market brand is having such a hard time in arguably the most important market in the world.

  Here are four major reasons for VW's struggle in the US.

  High Transaction Costs

  VW sees itself as competing with Toyota and Ford, but consumers don't see them that way, said Alec Gutierrez, senior market analyst at Kelley Blue Book. In the Volkswagen Group family, VW's role is to build mainstream, mass-market transportation while its luxury-oriented siblings like Audi and Bentley build higher priced, fancier models.

  But thanks to its European origins and a close association to its corporate siblings, consumers in the US. see VW as a near-luxury product. This means buyers shopping for products like the brand's Passat sedan approach the process differently than they would if they were shopping for a Honda Accord or a Toyota Camry. A Camry or Accord buyer may be willing to part with his money for a bare-bones base model, but VW shoppers want a German luxury product at a discounted price, leading them to load-up on optional goodies.

  2015 VW Passat
  Volkswagen Passat Volkswagen
  As a result, the brand is at the highest point in virtually every segment in which it competes, Gutierrez said. While VW has attempted to make its product more attractive to value shoppers by offering stripped-down models, the typical VW still costs more than its competitors.

  According to KBB, the average transaction cost for a Passat sedan in 2014 was $27,300. The average midsize sedan on the market costs $25,000, with the Ford Fusion coming in at $26,000 and an Accord $25,200.

  Another reason for VW's higher price point is the brand's inclusion of premium technology even in lower-level models. The company chose to include complicated turbocharging systems and advanced DSG automated twin-clutch gearboxes on economy models, while competitors like the Honda Civic, Ford Focus, and Toyota Corolla employ cheaper and more conventional technology. The availability of such options is a boon for consumers, but it prevents VW from competing on price with its less sophisticated competitors.

  Lack Of A Competitive Compact Crossover

  As 13% of market, the compact crossover SUV is one of the most important and competitive segments in the US. While VW's Tiguan compact crossover is a good car, it is not nearly as affordable or fuel-efficient as segment leaders, such as the Honda CR-V and Toyota RAV4, said Gutierrez.

  And the difference in sales is staggering. So far in 2015, Honda has sold 73,000 CR-Vs, Nissan's moved 64,000 Rogues while Ford and Toyota have both shipped more than 67,000 of their Escape and RAV-4 crossovers. Conversely, VW has been able to sell just 5,600 Tiguans this year — representing just 1.1% of the segment's sales so for this year.

  A History Of Questionable Reliability

  Volkswagen Tiguan
  The 2014 Volkswagen Tiguan. Volkswagen
  For much of the past decade, Volkswagen has been plagued with powertrain reliability issues in the high-volume four- and five-cylinder engines that power Passat, Jettas, and other VW products, according to Consumer Reports.

  In the past few years, the automaker has made significant strides in quality and received high marks from reviewers at the publication.

  Still, there seems to be a negative impression that lingers in the minds of mass-market shoppers who place a premium on reliability. This stigma is further enforced by publications like JD Power's 2014 initial quality and 2015 vehicle dependability surveys, where VW scored below industry average in both.

  A Crowded Marketplace

  The final factor for Volkswagen's slipping sales is a marketplace that is growing more and more crowded with competitive products. A decade ago, VW's mass-market products only had to contend with challengers from the major Japanese manufacturers and a couple of domestic products like the Ford Focus. In the decade since, the market has changed significantly.

  Not only are the Japanese brands still riding high; Volkswagen must now also compete with Hyundai and Kia from Korea, and a major resurgence from Detroit's Big 3. Although auto sales are expected to top 17 million cars in 2015, in light this increased competition, Volkswagen's product mix may not allow the brand to take advantage of the hot market.

  How Volkswagen Can Come Back

  Audi A3 2015
  Audi A3 Audi
  The potential fixes are many, but one thing the brand can do is simply embrace the image their consumers already have of them, says Gutierrez.

  Instead of forcing their way into the mass-market segment, VW could change course and become a near-luxury manufacturer.

  This may be difficult and risky for Volkswagen, because moving into a higher price point could potentially cannibalize sales of Audi's A3 and A4 models, which sell for between $35,000 and $45,000. And a move up market would risk the brand becoming reduced to a niche luxury manufacturer, which does not mesh with VW's already successful global presence as a major mass-market brand. It remains to be seen how the company will try to change its image — and sales figures — in the US.
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-12 14:52:17
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-12 16:12:52

  发一个turecar的报价。前面说了,因为定价策略和产品线的不同,仅仅拿发动机比较是不公正的,大众1.4t s 的要第一点,因为配置。如果要比,得比伊兰特入门级的2.0低配。这样又有人说不公平了。
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-12 16:14:01
  @章鱼哥gg 2018-02-12 16:12:52
  发一个turecar的报价。前面说了,因为定价策略和产品线的不同,仅仅拿发动机比较是不公正的,大众1.4t s 的要第一点,因为配置。如果要比,得比伊兰特入门级的2.0低配。这样又有人说不公平了。
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-13 11:02:09
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-13 11:17:46
  @ddcczz001  @艺术生活II
楼主ddcczz001 时间:2018-02-13 13:10:18


作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-13 13:44:39
  @ddcczz001 2018-02-13 13:10:18
  • ddcczz001: 举报  2018-02-13 15:20:50  评论

    评论 章鱼哥gg:不知道怎么和你说逻辑。老牌网站kbb的成交价,显示同等发动机排量下,伊兰特贵过全部速腾。按你说的新网站truecar,伊兰特14也是落在速腾14最低最高配的区间。如果你说的速腾是德国进口,山长水远各种费用可比现代的墨西哥贵多了,那岂不是更加亏本卖了?
  • 章鱼哥gg: 举报  2018-02-14 08:57:27  评论

    评论 ddcczz001:你脑子有问题,说速腾是德国进口的是@艺术生活II ,连友军都往死里打,傻子。
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作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-13 13:47:44
  @ddcczz001 2018-02-13 13:10:18
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-14 11:04:18

  @@艺术生活II @ddcczz001 要真是想讨论一个问题,咱就拿证据讲道理,要是自我膨胀优越感爆满无视我提供的论据,那也没什么好说的。满眼看到的你们的证据就是你们的证词“双重标准”“捷达德产”。
  • 艺术生活II: 举报  2018-02-14 12:54:53  评论

  • 章鱼哥gg: 举报  2018-02-14 13:55:22  评论

    评论 艺术生活II:你说这些有卵用,怪不得优越感爆棚。捷达没2.0的就这一点就已经不如伊兰特高级了,美国人说什么也不要信,就信你;谁都不服,舅服你。
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作者:未来的钻石王老五 时间:2018-02-14 11:15:52
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-14 13:59:11
  @未来的钻石王老五 2018-02-14 11:15:52
作者:章鱼哥gg 时间:2018-02-14 16:16:50