美国经济衰退了吗?看看老美自己的讨论。[已扎口]

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No recession huh?美国经济没有衰退?(只是大致翻译了下大意)
  
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  Here some of the good news Bush was referring to last week. He said we’re not in nor are we near a recession, in fact the economy is doing well. This man won’t be happy until we are all burning in hell. This is this mornings yahoo finance page, I’ve never seen anything like it, scarier than hell.
  
  这里有布什上周所说的一些所谓好消息。他说经济既没有萧条,也没有接近萧条,事实上我们的经济形势很好。看来这家伙只有看到我们在地狱里被火烤才会开心,这是今天早上雅虎的金融页面,我从来没有见过这样的东东,极度恐怖。
  
  
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  Wasn't it the emperor Nero who continued to play his fiddle while Rome burned all around him?
  
  
  
  bush is the "Nero" of the 21st century.
  
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  尼录不是在整个罗马在他周围燃烧的时候,还在玩小提琴吗?
  
  布什就是二十一世纪的尼录。
  
  
  March 13th, 2008, 02:28 PM #3
  
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  Should have invested in Gold....
  
  必须投资黄金。。。
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Gold and oil would have been a wise investment.
  
  
  
  Prior to bush taking office gold was under $400 an ounce and oil was around $50 a barrel.
  
  
  
  I wonder how much oil and gold options the bush family hold.
  
  
  
  投资黄金和石油是比较明智的。在布什上台前,黄金不足400美金一盎司,而油只要50元一桶。
  
  我真不知道布什家族拥有多少黄金和石油。
  
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  March 13th, 2008, 06:17 PM #6
  
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  Take the RED pill
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Yeah, I think it's pretty well-known that Bush lies about pretty much everything.
  
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   是的,我认为布什说什么事情都撒谎,这是众所周知的。
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  March 14th, 2008, 04:22 AM #11
  
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  Originally Posted by Ozone
  
  We're not in a recession, you dumbass.
  
  
  
  A recession is two or more quarters where GDP doesn't increase. Has that happened? No.
  
  
  
  End of discussion.
  
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  Even the media says we're in a recession. Anyone who says we're not is as dumb as Bush... if not dumber than Bush.
  
  
  
  连媒体都说我们处于萧条时期,任何说“我们不是处于萧条期”的人至少跟布什一样呆,如果他不是比布什更呆的话。
  
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  March 14th, 2008, 08:32 PM #17
  
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  Look. anyone who knows how to google knows there a recession. Google "economist say recession" and see what ya come up with.
  
  Here's one from last month...one of hundreds
  
  Earlier today, MarketWatch reported that Nigel Gault, U.S. chief economist for Global Insight, now believes the U.S. economy is in a recession.
  
  
  
  bet I could post a hundered sources and articles and you'd still argue there's no recession.
  
  Oh by the way..where did you get those skewed facts that you posted from..links please.
  
  
  
  各位,任何会GOOGLE的人都知道我们处于萧条期,GOOGLE“经济学家谈萧条”再看看你会搜索到什么。这里是上个月的,数以百计的。
  
  
  
  今天早些时候,《市场观察》报道说美国的首席经济学家奈杰尔说他现在相信美国经济在衰退。
  
  
  
  我可以至少找到一百个类似链接,而你们现在还在说经济没有衰退。
  
  
  
  还有,你们是怎么找到那些扭曲事实的报道的?请给链接,谢谢。
  
  
  
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   March 14th, 2008, 08:33 PM #18
  
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  Quote:
  
  Originally Posted by Ozone
  
  We're not in a recession, you dumbass.
  
  我们经济没有衰退,呆瓜!
  
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  If someone got laid off, lost his job and couldn't find work, the cost of living is going through the roof, while the dollar erodes in value, does he need an official declaration from the government that there is or there is not, a recession??
  
  如果某人下岗了,丢掉了自己的工作,还不能找到新的工作,生活费用高得要命,但是美元却继续贬值,在这种情况下,他是不是需要政府来宣布有还是没有经济萧条呢?
  
  
  
  U.S. Faces Severe Recession链接:美国面临严重的经济衰退
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  By the way, the Vietnam War was never officially declared, and I'm sure you know that millions of people died including thousands of Americans.
  
  另外,官方从来没有宣布过越南战争,但是我确信你知道无数人因为战争死了,其中也包括成千上万的美国人。
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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   March 16th, 2008, 04:05 PM #57
  
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  At least people have jobs, and will be able to survive, maybe wages aren't keeping up with the cost of living, but people can still survive,
  
  但至少人们有工作,有能力生存,也许工资的上涨无法跟上生活费用的上涨,但人们能够生存
  
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  Of course, people can still survive, even monkeys can find a way to survive.
  
  
  
  But this is America. If you can find a way to survive on less than 40 cents a day just like they do in China and elsewhere, good luck.
  
  
  
  是的,人们能够生存,即使是猴子也能够找到一个生存的办法。
  
  
  
  但这里是美国,如果你能找到一种花40美分一天就能够活下来的方式,就像在中国或者其他物价低的地方一样,那你真的是运气好。
  
  
  
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  no... when did i never say the 2001 recession wasn't bad, I said all along it was bad, and people still made it through.
  
  
  
  不,我什么时候说过2001年的萧条没有恶劣影响?我是说所有萧条时期都是不好的,但人们还是过来了。
  
  
  
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  no... when did i never say the 2001 recession wasn't bad, I said all along it was bad, and people still made it through.
  
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  Every recession IS bad.
  
  People do make it through, even cockroaches make it through somehow.
  
  
  
  The point of this thread is recession, especially as it pertains to current government fiscal and monetary policies.
  
  
  
  Insisting that your point is that people do survive in a recession is moot.
  
  Even the caveman somehow made it through.
  
  
  
  It's government policies as to how they relate to and affect when a recession happens that's the topic of this thread.
  
  
  
  所有的萧条时期都是恶劣的。
  
  是的,人们都撑过来了,即使是蟑螂也会以某种方式撑过来。
  
  
  
  但这个帖子是讲萧条,尤其与政府的货币和财政政策相关。
  
  
  
  坚持说人们能够在萧条的时候缓过来是无意义的,即使是原始人也会在他们那个时代撑过去。
  
  
  
  政府在经济萧条时采取什么样的政策,这才是这个帖子的关键。
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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作者:我真不喜欢长名字 时间:2008-03-19 09:57:33
  佛曰:我不坐沙发谁坐沙发。
楼主金茵_Harry 时间:2008-03-19 09:58:49
  原来要去掉所有链接才能发上来,不知道这个论坛为什么还不允许发表美国人自己讨论自己的帖子。
  
  帖子来源于HIP论坛。
作者:caoty002 时间:2008-03-19 09:59:26
  希望lz稍微学一下经济学,就知道经济危机是经济运行的必要阶段,这个是淘汰低效率的行业最直接的办法,
  其实,按照西方的标准,我们现在已经是经济危机了:
  通胀(中国不承认,叫做结构性上涨,或者回归价值)
  失业(中国叫下岗)
作者:andyxyz103 时间:2008-03-19 10:00:06
  貌似美国的汽油现在比中国便宜很多啊
作者:caoty002 时间:2008-03-19 10:00:39
  此外,经济增长是应该按照GNP统计的,但是,我国不公布GNP,只公布GDP。所以问LZ一句话:你的收入增长追上GDP的增长没有?
作者:提枪夜袭寡妇村 时间:2008-03-19 10:01:43
  但这里是美国,如果你能找到一种花40美分一天就能够活下来的方式,就像在中国或者其他物价低的地方一样,那你真的是运气好。
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  这位米国筒子太不了解中国的国情了。。。
作者:O型血的馒头 时间:2008-03-19 10:03:24
  经济学家的地板坐的也舒服啊
楼主金茵_Harry 时间:2008-03-19 10:03:42
  还有很多翻译好的没有发上来,总而言之就跟我们天涯的JY与FQ大战差不多。都能想得到。
楼主金茵_Harry 时间:2008-03-19 10:05:32
  作者:caoty002 回复日期:2008-3-19 10:00:39 
    此外,经济增长是应该按照GNP统计的,但是,我国不公布GNP,只公布GDP。所以问LZ一句话:你的收入增长追上GDP的增长没有?
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  你是白痴啊?这是转别人的帖子。
楼主金茵_Harry 时间:2008-03-19 10:08:11
  
  原帖地址如下:
  http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292252&page=1&pp=10
  
  里面还有很多普通美国人把自己经济贬得一无是处的帖子,有什么问题自己去问他们去。
  
  我转的目的只是让大家看一下他们的JY与FQ之战,又不代表我的意思。
楼主金茵_Harry 时间:2008-03-19 10:24:19
  还有一个讨论中国是否能够超过美国的帖子,也讨论的很火热。这个破论坛怎么发都发不上来。统计了一下,也是一半认为中国行,一半认为中国不行。就是美国版的FQ与JY之战。
作者:lelilas 时间:2008-03-19 10:28:52
  作者:提枪夜袭寡妇村 回复日期:2008-3-19 10:01:43 
    但这里是美国,如果你能找到一种花40美分一天就能够活下来的方式,就像在中国或者其他物价低的地方一样,那你真的是运气好。
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    这位米国筒子太不了解中国的国情了。。。
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  这位筒子太不了解米国的国情了,他们拿的可是美刀,中国的物价在他们眼里是再便宜不过了,放到中国来个顶个的大款啊。。。。
作者:我最纯洁 时间:2008-03-19 10:53:27
  PIAO
楼主金茵_Harry 时间:2008-03-19 10:55:24
  作者:lelilas 回复日期:2008-3-19 10:28:52 
    作者:提枪夜袭寡妇村 回复日期:2008-3-19 10:01:43 
      但这里是美国,如果你能找到一种花40美分一天就能够活下来的方式,就像在中国或者其他物价低的地方一样,那你真的是运气好。
      ==================================================
      这位米国筒子太不了解中国的国情了。。。
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    这位筒子太不了解米国的国情了,他们拿的可是美刀,中国的物价在他们眼里是再便宜不过了,放到中国来个顶个的大款啊。。。。
  
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  这个问题可以讨论一下,我的一些美国朋友的确觉得拿美金到中国来消费是一件很惬意的事情。
  
  另外,他所谓的四十美分估计是指一些中国的农村,在中国的一些农村地方,的确有很多生活很困苦的,一天消费才几块人民币,也就是几十美分了。
作者:猪一样的骡子 时间:2008-03-19 13:42:50
  顶
作者:娄二少 时间:2008-03-19 14:08:35
  作者:andyxyz103 回复日期:2008-3-19 10:00:06 
    貌似美国的汽油现在比中国便宜很多啊
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  ……
  您可以去做JY了