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【译文-中文】中国的导弹家族
  【原文-英国】China's missiles
  【原文地址】http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/12/chinese_missile_ranges&foriginal=nwl
  【转帖地址】:http://www.ptfcn.com/ptfcn/z/68.html
  【发布日期】:Dec 6th 2010
  【翻译截止日期】:2010-12-14 13:29:49
  【翻译评论数/总评论】:25 / 125
  【翻译作者】:mossblue
  【联名作者】:北极星光
    译文导读:特别说明:此文出自经济学人,正文部分由“北极星光”翻译。
  
  此文留言超过了100+的数量,但大部分留言看起来像是中国朋友或者热爱中国的朋友写上去的……
  在此仅摘取前几十位的网贴进行翻译……
  热爱军事的朋友可选择此文阅读。
  
  An interactive graphic showing the range of a selection of China’’s missiles
  MISSILES have been a pillar of China’s military modernisation. After awesome demonstrations of American firepower, in Operation Desert Storm in the first Gulf war, and then in 1996, when the United States sailed two carrier strike groups close to Taiwan to deter Chinese aggression, China felt that it could no longer depend on sheer manpower for its defence. So it has invested heavily in the strength and technical sophistication of its missiles. The Pentagon has described China’s programme as “the most active land-based ballistic- and cruise-missile programme in the world”. Missiles are good value. Compared with a fully equipped aircraft-carrier, which might cost $15 billion-20 billion, a missile costs about $1m. And missiles can be potent. The chart shows how, in terms of numbers, China has concentrated on short- and medium-range missiles. This puts Taiwan within easy range of a devastating cruise- and ballistic-missile attack. Military analysts fear that the Second Artillery could retarget the missiles, putting Japan at risk, as well as America’s Asian bases. China also has a few intercontinental ballistic missiles, able to carry a nuclear payload. And American strategists are closely watching an experimental anti-ship ballistic missile with a manoeuvrable warhead, which could make it hard for American fleets to approach the Chinese shore. China recently hinted that it may be ready to cut the number of missiles targeting Taiwan. Whether this comes to anything will depend upon relations with the island—and they can be highly.
  
  
  DF是东风系列导弹,DH-10是长剑巡航导弹,DF-21 ASBM就是传说中的航妈大杀器的射程,横轴是中国大陆到--------(射程,用公里计),分别是台北、冲绳、佐世保、三泽市、横须贺(都是军事基地)、马六甲海峡、关岛。
   导弹系统已成为中国军事现代化的一根支柱。早在第一次海湾战争的沙漠风暴行动中,美军就展现了可怕的打击力量,其后又在96年,为阻止中国的入侵(原文如此),派遣了两个航妈战斗群抵近台湾,中国开始意识到,不能再依靠单纯的人海战术来完成自身的防御任务了(汗),于是花大力气来发展自身导弹系统的综合科技实力。五角大楼把这称之为“当今世界最活跃的陆基弹道和巡航导弹项目”。导弹是高经济性的玩意,相比动辄150亿—200亿美刀的全副武装的一艘航妈,一枚导弹大概只花100万美刀。而且,导弹的威力巨大。下面这张图,从数字上看,说明了中国在集中发展自己的中短程导弹系统。台湾正处于这些玩意的射程之内,因此极易遭受弹道导弹和巡航导弹的毁灭性打击。军事分析人员担心第二炮兵部队把这些玩意重新调整下,就能让日本,以及美国在亚洲的其他军事基地,也处于同样糟糕的境地。中国还有很少的洲际弹道导弹,能携带核弹头。此外,美国的战略分析人员正密切关注中国正在进行的带有机动式弹头的反舰弹道导弹试验(传说中的反航妈专用大杀器),这东西能让美军舰队很难靠近中国的海岸。中国近来有暗示,说准备裁减针对台湾的导弹数量。这种情况是否会发生,还得取决于两岸间那变幻莫测的关系如何发展。
   (正文部分由“北极星光”翻译)
  

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楼主oyoii 时间:2010-12-15 16:49:28 江苏
  nkab wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 5:05 GMT
  “To deter Chinese aggression” you said ah?
  你说“为阻止中国的入侵”哈?
  Come on Economist, are you carrying your bashing and threat-theory to new height (I mean this article)?
  经济学人你得了吧,你打算把攻击和威胁论推向新高度么?
  China may be now the world’s largest nation in terms of international trades and the second largest in economy size, but China is still struggling had to mouth with about $4,000 per capita GDP, barely a tenth or less of that of developed economies.
  现在中国可能是世界第一大贸易体,第二大经济体,但中够还在挣扎着就为了够到人均四千美元GDP的边,也就勉强是发达国家经济的十分之一还不到。
  Not that BRIC combo (Brazil, Russia, India, China) is any super duper meaningful, but can you imagine China is the only nation of the BRIC that does not even rate for one aircraft carrier? Zero.
  所谓“金砖四国”同盟(巴西、俄罗斯、印度、中国)的超级谎言没有任何意义,但你能想象 “金砖四国”之一的中国是唯一一个没有、更没为航母花过钱的国家吗?一分也没花过。
  
楼主oyoii 时间:2010-12-15 16:50:36 江苏
  And its per capita defense budget is less than a tenth of the US defense budget and is way below Japan’s too.
  并且他的人均国防预算连美国的十分之一还不到,连日本都不如。
  Tell me, does China has the responsibility to protect its people and their livelihoods? And who is going to protect sea lanes of its trdes? You the Economist?
  告诉我,中国还能负责起保护他自己人民安全和生计的职责么?谁又来保护他海上贸易航线的安全?是你经济学人么?
  Ps:金砖四国(BRIC)即巴西、俄罗斯、印度、中国通常被视为新兴市场的典型代表,也是各大洲经济增长的热点地区。
  
  
楼主oyoii 时间:2010-12-15 16:54:59 江苏
  julien of montreal wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 3:15 GMT
  Very cold war style, todays graph...
  Why not showing the destructive power of the first army of the world, then? Because it is "us" versus "them"?
  典型冷战风格,今天这个图……
  下次为什么不展示一下世界第一军队的破坏性实力呢?
  是因为我们“对战”他们么?
  
  Claus Rasmussen wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 7:04 GMT
  This is stupid.
  真蠢。
  The only conclusion that can be drawn from the chart is not that China is a threatening force in the world, but rather the opposite: That China maintain a very limited nuclear deterrence force, with less than 20 missiles capable of reaching any American territory ! Compare that to the thousands of missiles in the US arsenal and probably a similar stockpile in Russia, and some in England and France.
  从这个图里能得出的唯一结论是:中国在世界上不是一个具有威胁性的力量,恰恰相反:中国所持的核威慑力量十分有限,仅有不到20枚导弹能到达美国本土!相较之下,上千枚这样的导弹堆放在美国军械库内,可能同样数量的贮存在俄罗斯,还有一些在英国和法国。
  Presenting factual data completely without context is no better than presenting false data. In both cases the reader is drawn to false conclusions.
  出示没有经过考证的数据就等于出示假数据。两者都把让读者引向错误的结论。
  I generally enjoy reading The Economist, but when the subject is in any way related to China it degenerates into an awful biased cold-war propaganda.
  我通常很爱读经济学人,但是一扯上任何和中国有关的话题,其文章就会演变成了可怕的、带有偏见的冷战宣传资料。
  
  
作者:j1361156 时间:2010-12-15 17:00:31 江苏
  这些东西能造福国人就可以!
楼主oyoii 时间:2010-12-15 17:01:27 江苏
  OldSpencer wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 6:17 GMT
  vivazapata,
  回vivazapata(此君真乃经济学人的钉子户啊)
  The US military with support from the american people has murdered tens of millions of human beings (not to mention that the US was founded as a country where SLAVERY was legal).
  “美国人民”所支持的美国军队已经杀害了数以百万计的人类同胞了(更别说,美利坚是一个建立在 “奴隶制合法化”基础上的国家)
  The US government doesnt export democracy but death....
  美国政府对外输出的不是民主而是死亡……
  ...and nobody believes your laughable propaganda.
  ……并且没有人会相信你的可笑宣传。
  
  The Blog Fodder wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 6:44 GMT
  The US defends all nations that aspire to democracy and seeks to promote prosperity for all peoples.
  美国拥护所有渴望民主的国家,并致力于促进各个民族的共同繁荣。
  What a load. USA has never supported a democracy since the end of WWII and in fact has had a hand in overthrowing more than a few. USA is only interested in prosperity for the American ruling class not even for its own people.
  真是扯淡。自从二战结束后,美国就没有支持过一个民主国家,事实上倒是推翻了不止一个(民主国家)。美国仅仅对其统治阶级的繁荣感兴趣,连他自己人民都不管。
  
楼主oyoii 时间:2010-12-15 17:03:39 江苏
  RaptorNXT wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 2:15 GMT
  Time to shift to South America!
  到共和党掌权的时候了!
  
  Chris.au wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 5:06 GMT
  I would find this graphic more interesting if it compared the Chinese missile arsenal with the likes of the US and Russia, as the Chinese arsenal would pale in comparison. Countries have a right to defend themselves, and any civilization that has gotten too far ahead has gone stomping around the world until their empires collapsed.
  我从图上发现了更有趣的东西:假若将中国导弹装备和美国、俄罗斯的相比较一下,中国的导弹装备立马相形见绌。国家有权利捍卫自身,并且任何文明国家已发展到遥遥领先(于别国时)就会践踏其他国家,直到他们的帝国崩塌。
  Maybe it would not be such a bad thing for wars to be so devastating to both sides that they would not happen. America seems to be similar to its enemies in that at the end of the day, the only thing they seem to respect is force. It is long past time America started looking after its own citizens.
  敌对双方都不愿意看到毁灭性的场面出现,对战争而言也许不是个坏事。美国看起来和他的敌人们一样,到最后似乎只信奉武力至上。美国关怀自己人民的日子已经一去不复返了。
  
作者:那一夜床单没红 时间:2010-12-15 17:10:20 山东
  沙发!?!妈的!
作者:数字哥 时间:2010-12-15 17:18:46 上海
  赶上
楼主oyoii 时间:2010-12-15 17:22:57 江苏
  vivazapata wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 5:43 GMT
  Chris.au
  楼上这位
  America seems to be similar to its enemies in that at the end of the day, the only thing they seem to respect is force.
  “美国看起来和他的敌人们一样,到最后似乎只信奉武力至上。”
  The US patrols international sea lanes China uses to import the commodities it uses to become an economic power.
  美国巡逻海上国际航线,中国却利用此来进口商品从而变成了一个经济强国。
  US provides AIDS treatment to over one million Africans,
  美国提供艾滋药物给超过100万的非洲人,
  US Navy gives relief to Indonesian tsunami survivors.
  美国海军给印度尼西亚海啸幸存者带去了安慰,
  US Army gives relief to Pakistani flood survivors.
  美国陆军给巴基斯坦洪水幸存者带去了安慰。
  The US defends all nations that aspire to democracy and seeks to promote prosperity for all peoples.
  美国拥护所有渴望民主的国家,并致力于促进各个民族的共同繁荣。
  The fact that the US is not perfect or is not entirely altruistic in all its motives is no reason to issue an unqualified denunciation of a nation that has be and will continue to be willing to address the ills of the world and not allow tyranny to prevail.
  事实上是美国并不完美,或者说美国所有的动机并不纯粹是利他的。但也没有没有理由向这么一个,过去曾一直致力于、未来还继续致力于解决世界一切问题并阻止暴政横行的国家发出如此无稽的谴责。(此君真能blabla……)
  
楼主oyoii 时间:2010-12-15 17:26:53 江苏
  OldSpencer wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 6:13 GMT
  Good thing the chinese have some weapons. Violence is the only way to deal with rogue states like the US of amerikkka.
  中国人能有些武器是好事情。暴力是摆平像美什么国神马那种平流氓国家的唯一办法。
  
  salkagga wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 3:56 GMT
  a nice chart, i like it! go china!
  妙图!俺喜欢!加油中国!
  
  LCD92 wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 4:27 GMT
  I just wanna say that China dont even have a carrier...
  我只想说,中国连个航母都没有……
  
  Domovoy wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 3:21 GMT
  @ julien
  回julien
  Ditto. It is already war propaganda.
  完全同意,这已经是战争宣传资料了。
  
楼主oyoii 时间:2010-12-15 17:31:44 江苏
  Tim Hart wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 4:34 GMT
  who cares? All they did was reverse engineer missiles from various western nations. China has never been "expansionist" in the western sense of the word but even if they did change, I wouldnt worry until their tech was greater than the west.
  谁在乎?他们做的所有就是把西方各国的导弹抱回家进行反向拆解。“中国”这个字眼在西方人的字典中从来都不是“扩张主义者”的意思。但即使他们已经改变了,我也不担心。除非他们的科技能比西方的更强大。
  
  justanonymous wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 4:00 GMT
  Interesting how the inference is that the missile capability is headed towards the US...past Guam (already a US Territory).
  有趣的是如何推论导弹是射向美国的……过去的关岛(现在已为美国领土)。
  I wonder why they dont show the chart going the other way and the reach of china towards Europe.
  我奇怪他们为啥不弄个其他的图,做个中国(导弹)到达欧洲(射程图)什么的。
  All this is very subtle propaganda.
  以上所有都是富有心计的(战争)宣传。
  I agree with RaptorNXT...maybe past time? :-)
  我支持RaptorNXT说的(支持共和党上台)…………大概在过去的时候(指奥巴马上台前小布什时期):-》
  
楼主oyoii 时间:2010-12-15 17:35:30 江苏
  Kursato wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 5:52 GMT
  lol The United States has missiles capable of even getting in outerspace!. China is still nothing compared with the USA
  哈哈哈……美利坚都有能射入外太空的导弹了!中国和美国还是没得比。
  
  IshmeNicolas wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 4:21 GMT
  Well just another reason why US should concentrate a lot more effort in the development of the anti-missile laser.
  这就是另外一个原因用以来解释为啥美国应该把更多精力投入到反导弹激光的研制上去。
  
  ObsTheTimes wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 4:19 GMT
  Apart from the very troubling subject.Very artful and pretty charts.
  Nice job! Economist.
  且不说这么让人抓狂的题材,(就冲)这么艺术、这么优美的小图。
  赞一个!经济学人!
  
  vivazapata wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 4:10 GMT
  Hypersonic scram-jet space planes will render all missiles obsolete. When a fleet of nuclear-armed orbiting platforms can fire down directly on a target from an altitude of a few score miles, the game will change. This development is taking shape as we speak.
  极超音速喷气式航空飞机将淘汰掉所有导弹。当一纵饶导航台飞行核武装化舰队能在20英里高度之外直接向下开火命中目标,然后局面便逆转了。就像我们所说的那样,项研究已经成型了。
  
楼主oyoii 时间:2010-12-15 17:37:59 江苏
  Gulshanafridi wrote:(此乃货真价实的战斗檄文)
  Dec 6th 2010 7:35 GMT
  Though China has much to answer for in its intimidation and savage execution of any opposing its power or seeking any semblance of independence, as in the case of Uighur Muslims, if past performance is any indicator of a countrys violent global aspirations, as it boldly perpetrates worldwide terror through its uninhibited use of nuclear weapons and Chemical WMDs, causing horrendous human misery, death and destruction on a massive scale - worst, intentionally targeting civilian populations with both nuclear and chemical weapons and then again using torture, rape and murder as a weapon to crush civilian opposition of the vanquished nation and its unstinting intimidation of that countrys press even using jingoistic propaganda to quell dissent amongst its own civilians - then certainly the world ought to be wary of that ugly behemoth and its future plans. Reflecting on only the past 100 years, just who might that ugly Leviathan be? If the absolute barbarity displayed in Japan, Vietnam, North Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and Panama and Chile to name a few, provide any clue, then surely China is the least of our worries, as the destructive capabilities of the US and its nefarious intentions ought to keep us awake nights. The US and through its proxies, Israel and NATO, have historically displayed ample propensity for illegal invasions, forced human displacement, torture, rape, extra-judicial killings, assassinations and bold faced murder and naturally make many shudder – especially those of third world countries who cannot defend themselves against the US empire. The worry turns to morbid fear as one realises these monsters carry about their morbid business with impunity, as the sole institution and "defender" of human rights and dignity, stands emasculated, unable to protect innocent civilians as seen in Bosnia and even being a complicit in the atrocities and injustice of these criminals by censuring and criminalising those who would oppose this garish trio. The world ought to stand up to this beast, as aptly quoted by Shakespeare in Julius Caesar:
  面对那些对立其政权或意图寻求表面独立的威胁和野蛮制裁行径,中国给予了充分的回答,就像对维吾尔穆斯林(暴动)所做的(回应)一样。(正因为)过去的种种行径预示了国家暴力全球化野心初现端倪:公然肆意使用核武器和大规模生化武器犯下全球恐怖主义罪行,大范围造成死亡、破坏和人间惨剧的发生——恶劣到故意针对平民使用核弹和生化武器,随即展开酷刑,以强暴和暗杀作为武器来镇压被奴役国家人民的反抗并竭尽所能恐吓其国家媒体,甚至采用洗脑宣传来排除民众中的异己分子——所以,全世界都应该警惕这只丑陋巨怪及其未来的动向。仅仅回望过去百年,谁不曾见其丑陋面目昭然若现?倘使赤裸的暴行在日本、越南、北朝鲜、伊拉克、阿富汗和巴拿马和智利不一而足登台上演, 当然中国尚不至担心如此,只需任何苗头(出现),美国的破坏力的和邪恶意图便会让我们反侧难安了。美国及其代理人——以色列和北约,在历史上就曾经多次轮番上演过非法侵略、迫使人们流离失所、刑讯逼供、暴力强奸、法外杀戮、阴谋暗杀和无耻谋杀,以及很多毛骨悚然的戏码——尤其(是对)那些无力抵抗美帝国(强权)的第三世界国家们。一旦有人意识到这些怪物到处进行着他们的恐怖交易而免于惩罚时,就会不由得从担心转为不寒而栗。作为独家机构和人权和尊严的“卫士”,就曾缔造了一个被阉割的、无力保护无辜平民的波斯尼亚。更甚之,其还通过责难和诬陷那些戳穿其迷人眼目花招的人来和那些残暴不公的罪犯们沆瀣一气。:世界理应奋起反抗人面兽心之辈,诚如莎士比亚在《尤里乌斯.凯撒》中所言:(以下这段话我承认是编的,和原文意思差不多,请大家高抬贵手保留我翻译的这一段吧……)
  Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world
  Like a Colossus, and we petty men
  Walk under his huge legs and peep about
  To find ourselves dishonourable graves.
  Men at some time are masters of their fates:
  The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
  But in ourselves, that we are underlings.
  为什么,同样为人,他能横亘狭窄天地
  似阿波罗巨像,而不足道的我们,
    行走在他巨腿间张看
    来寻找我们不名誉的坟。
    人有时是命运的主人。
    错误,反抗者们,并不在我们的命运,
  而在我们自己,无法成为主人。
  Ps:Brutus:布鲁图(前85~前42,罗马贵族政治家、将军、刺杀罗马独裁者恺撒的主谋者)此处考虑上下句,翻译成了反抗者。
  
楼主oyoii 时间:2010-12-15 17:41:09 江苏
  Leon7423 wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 11:17 GMT
  It is apparent that this chart indicates two things:
  1) Chinas missiles are meant for self-defence;
  2) It sends a message: "Think before messing with me, Sam."
  显然这个表表明了两件事:
  1) 中国的导弹是准备自卫的。
  2) 它发出了一条信息:“山姆大叔(美国),惹毛我之前好好想想”
  
  
  Nukethewhales wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 7:45 GMT
  Why would the lean holder kill its debtor? If anything it would protect him, until he pays in full!
  为啥这个贫瘠的债权人要杀了他的债务人咧?知道他还清债务之前,不是应该保护他么?
  
  
  watchingchina wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 11:36 GMT
  I want to see another chart displaying the reach of all US missiles.
  我想看看美国导弹射程展示图。
  
  Hibro wrote:
  Dec 8th 2010 4:40 GMT
  If Taiwan is considered a Chinese province, then its very inhumane of China to point more than 1000 missiles at their fellow citizens living on the island.
  如果台湾被认为是中的一个省,那么中国将1000+枚导弹指向他居住在岛上的子民们(的做法)就太没人性了。
  
楼主oyoii 时间:2010-12-15 17:43:37 江苏
  OppositeMoonsign wrote:
  Dec 6th 2010 8:21 GMT
  Even if China has the missile powerful enough to reach and blow up the Moon, will it make a difference? During the late 19th, The Qing Empire has the most powerful battleships in Asia. But the fact is, they are completely wiped out by the Japanese Navy within less than one month. Therefore, what determines a war is not the weapons one owns but the political institutions behind.
  即使中国导弹威力足以到达月球并爆了月球,会让事情所有不同么?在19世纪晚期,清王朝拥有亚洲地区最强大的战舰。但结果呢,他们不到一个月就被日本海军给消灭了。因此,一场战争的决定性因素不是一个国家拥有什么样的武器,而是其背后的政治体系。
   JS33 wrote:
  Dec 7th 2010 4:15 GMT
  So there are 5 different types of missiles with range above 3000 but China only built 20 of them in all? Must be the most peace loving country in the world ...
  这么说五种不同型号的导弹大概3000枚,但(在这3000枚当中)中国只造了20枚(能打到美国本土的导弹)?他一定是这个世界上最热爱和平的国家……
  
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